alterego
12-07 10:38 AM
no comments so far ? and this thread is still visible ..so I guess either people have given up or no one cares (this is weekend ..so I guess less people online).
but I will repeat one last time ..if we cannot link housing and immigration ..then I don't see how anything else can help (can someone educate me).
for eg if we say US is losing talent and brains are leaving ..then I don't think anyone will care especially when economy is down (many natives will be happy I guess).
lawsuits will not help as USCIS will show that they are following law and/or they are understaffed / underfunded.
- flower campaigns or writing to USCIS only will only help flower companies / postal department
flower / letter campaigns help ..but we need a clear plan and lets do brainstorming or atleast show some activity !!
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before someone jumps ..let me clarify that I am not suggesting that immigration will solve the housing problem totally ..but immigrants do constitute a very important segment of buyers.
- we don't have to suggest increasing immigrant quota ..but only recapture and tell that these people are already in USA ..majority of them will get GC one day or the other ..this will just speed up the process so that people can settle / buy houses faster
- I don't think u can come up with law saying if u buy house u will get GC ..focus should only be on faster GC and processing ..faster decision is helpful to US too ..as those whose cases will be denied due to law breaking etc ..will be denied sooner.
and hence no distinction between those who are renting and those who are already owners
Not only are immigrants an important category of buyers, but the few who took the leap of faith in this country and bought, might actually be forced to sell into a down market and exacerbate to pressure if this mess is not sorted out.
This current inaction is a dumb policy in many ways IMHO. I hope visa recapture happens soon. If they want to slow down immigration, they ought to do it at the F1/H1b/L1 level/Labor certification. Not at the 485 stage, which is what visa recapture legislation is all about.
but I will repeat one last time ..if we cannot link housing and immigration ..then I don't see how anything else can help (can someone educate me).
for eg if we say US is losing talent and brains are leaving ..then I don't think anyone will care especially when economy is down (many natives will be happy I guess).
lawsuits will not help as USCIS will show that they are following law and/or they are understaffed / underfunded.
- flower campaigns or writing to USCIS only will only help flower companies / postal department
flower / letter campaigns help ..but we need a clear plan and lets do brainstorming or atleast show some activity !!
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before someone jumps ..let me clarify that I am not suggesting that immigration will solve the housing problem totally ..but immigrants do constitute a very important segment of buyers.
- we don't have to suggest increasing immigrant quota ..but only recapture and tell that these people are already in USA ..majority of them will get GC one day or the other ..this will just speed up the process so that people can settle / buy houses faster
- I don't think u can come up with law saying if u buy house u will get GC ..focus should only be on faster GC and processing ..faster decision is helpful to US too ..as those whose cases will be denied due to law breaking etc ..will be denied sooner.
and hence no distinction between those who are renting and those who are already owners
Not only are immigrants an important category of buyers, but the few who took the leap of faith in this country and bought, might actually be forced to sell into a down market and exacerbate to pressure if this mess is not sorted out.
This current inaction is a dumb policy in many ways IMHO. I hope visa recapture happens soon. If they want to slow down immigration, they ought to do it at the F1/H1b/L1 level/Labor certification. Not at the 485 stage, which is what visa recapture legislation is all about.
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hpandey
06-14 12:40 PM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .
For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.
Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.
I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .
For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.
Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.
I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.
franklin
02-14 06:51 PM
Question - where are all the numbers for historical visa allocation coming from?
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vikki76
01-15 04:57 PM
I agree Teddykoochu.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
Well said.
African americans were never allowed to vote directly. There was no law which said that african american can't vote (AFAIK) but there was a small addendum, only those people can vote whose grandfathers had also voted or something similar. Since african americans came only 50 yrs ago,there was no way they could have fulfilled that grandfather requirement.
These changes in H-1 are similar.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
Well said.
African americans were never allowed to vote directly. There was no law which said that african american can't vote (AFAIK) but there was a small addendum, only those people can vote whose grandfathers had also voted or something similar. Since african americans came only 50 yrs ago,there was no way they could have fulfilled that grandfather requirement.
These changes in H-1 are similar.
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gcfriend65
06-28 09:14 AM
My take on this is that if 40,000 visa numbers remain for July, August and September, then USCIS by itself cannot use 40,000 visa numbers in one month alone (i.e. in july), because the DOS just supplies them monthly quotas. So, if you take approx. 18,000 per month, you are looking at 18,000 for July and 18,000 for August. Then, USCIS have to use them. Which means USCIS has to approve 18,000 petitions in July. As, I have heard that USCIS just started out sending finger print notices this month, because Priority Dates moved a lot in June 2007. Now, the fingerprints, will come in and forwarded to FBI for security clearance. That will take atleast a month. And, all petitions activated for clearance in June 2007 won't get adjudicated till August 31, 2007, because it takes atleast three months, for a case to approve and the visa number to be used. (Remember Visa numbers are allocated on visas used and not how amny people applied). Please share your thoughts. Thats my 2 pennies.
From page 35 of Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Annual Report to Congress June 2007 (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual%20Report_2007.pdf).
There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.
If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
Additionally, DOL�s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates. Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped where as they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years. In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.
From page 35 of Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Annual Report to Congress June 2007 (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual%20Report_2007.pdf).
There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.
If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
Additionally, DOL�s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates. Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped where as they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years. In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.
BharatPremi
12-13 04:43 PM
Yes, we should explore this more
1) Whether we can really challenge this into US SC within US Constitutional
framework?
2) Whether we can really challenge this into International Courts?
1) Whether we can really challenge this into US SC within US Constitutional
framework?
2) Whether we can really challenge this into International Courts?
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Aah_GC
07-10 12:59 PM
ByeUsa,
Goodbye and hope you have a good time in Canada. I am very sure you will do well there - Canada respects its immigrants and you and your family will be welcomed there.
Keep us posted on how you are getting around there..
Peace.
Goodbye and hope you have a good time in Canada. I am very sure you will do well there - Canada respects its immigrants and you and your family will be welcomed there.
Keep us posted on how you are getting around there..
Peace.
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GCWhru
07-23 11:38 AM
Guys,
I think we have talked and analyzed enough about how many visas available for August and September and pretty much arrived at conclusion that at the minimum 20K visas available. (Thanks to vdlrao).
Now we should talk about capability of USCIS and its processing speed? What is the normal approval rate with USCIS's regular processing. Also we heard that USCIS recruited many people, Do we suppose to see any improvement in processing. Do we think all the 20K visas will be used within 2 months?
If USCIS is going to approve only 5K visas over next 2 months, there is no point in talking how many visas left.
Thanks
I think we have talked and analyzed enough about how many visas available for August and September and pretty much arrived at conclusion that at the minimum 20K visas available. (Thanks to vdlrao).
Now we should talk about capability of USCIS and its processing speed? What is the normal approval rate with USCIS's regular processing. Also we heard that USCIS recruited many people, Do we suppose to see any improvement in processing. Do we think all the 20K visas will be used within 2 months?
If USCIS is going to approve only 5K visas over next 2 months, there is no point in talking how many visas left.
Thanks
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whatamidoinghere
02-22 04:26 AM
Looks like lot of data is available for us to crunch on:
Labor certifications from 2000 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx
H1Bs issued from 2002 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx
Hopefully using this data we can get some rough prediction on cutoff date movement. I'm going to spend the coming weekend on this.
Labor certifications from 2000 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx
H1Bs issued from 2002 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx
Hopefully using this data we can get some rough prediction on cutoff date movement. I'm going to spend the coming weekend on this.
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NKR
02-14 08:49 AM
[[Bestia,
This is bigotry. Stop using other countries (Sierra Leone or Kongo (spelled Congo FYI) as scapegoats. Obviously, your country isn't so great or you wouldn't be on this forum trying to immigrate to the U.S. Plenty of people do immigrate to the Congo and Sierra Leone FYI...I am not attacking you but it is incredibly insensitive and ridiculous to point to other countries in that way - where are you from that's so perfect?
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This is bigotry. Stop using other countries (Sierra Leone or Kongo (spelled Congo FYI) as scapegoats. Obviously, your country isn't so great or you wouldn't be on this forum trying to immigrate to the U.S. Plenty of people do immigrate to the Congo and Sierra Leone FYI...I am not attacking you but it is incredibly insensitive and ridiculous to point to other countries in that way - where are you from that's so perfect?
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GreenCardLegion
08-16 03:47 AM
I am a patriotic Indian. Why the hell cant this Khan guy go through the same ordeal as an ordinary Indian or any other passenger. Why all the fuss? Is he god??? Hell NO...I would just tell him to shut up and carry on with life. He is an idiot and just doing this for more publicity. How many Indian muslims go through this shit everyday? Why cant he tolerate this 2 hr ordeal like an ordinary Indian muslim or for that matter hindu? Racial profiling is for everyone who is colored and non-US citizen. He is not a good guy as he cant even take a 2 hr ordeal as an ordinary citizen because he thinks he is GOD...when in fact he is as ordinary as anybody. Just because he has money, name and fame should be become god? no way. I dont mind if the Indian airport security frisked Tom Cruise or any other actor. Who cares!! Its our countrys security, but you know what India wont do that as all the airport officials incl. security are so corrupt and also if they see white skin they will just allow them freely thinking they are god!! thats our stupidity not the americans???
I am glad this happened to the so called "King Khan" as he is king only in his mind. Not for me because for me he is a talented actor other than that he is not GOD but just a mere human being..
I am glad this happened to the so called "King Khan" as he is king only in his mind. Not for me because for me he is a talented actor other than that he is not GOD but just a mere human being..
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nixstor
07-03 05:23 PM
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vjkypally
09-23 05:41 PM
Like I said earlier March is the real bottleneck for year 2005. More than 3000 applications.October bulletin has already moved to Jan22'2005. From other tracking sites there are not too many Feb'2005 applications. But we have plenty of March 2005 applicants. Once it crosses March it will zoom ahead to end of 2005.
But it could be September 2010 by the time it comes to March,2005.
But it could be September 2010 by the time it comes to March,2005.
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sammyb
02-14 01:53 PM
to close this thread and/or change settings so that no further new posts allowed... We have had enough on this ... it is now better to rest this topic in peace...
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innervoice
09-24 12:47 PM
I'm on H1 and I also bought a house 2 year ago, though would like to sell my house , it's a great idea as I can sell my house easily if that strategy worked out. Then I can buy a house again in order get a GC quickly. ;)
Great Idea! I do support.
Great Idea! I do support.
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ksvreg
10-15 03:24 PM
If spillover works, logic is simple. Pending applications ~290K. Quot available ~140k
So, in just two years, every category should be current. Lets not scratch our heads.
Please work out the data versus pending/quota/spillover. Do VISA DATES ENGINEERING. And figure out the visa dates process/workflow and put in front of DOS/USCIS to adopt. Or lobby to adopt. or rally to adopt.
Otherwise our math will always be different from DOS/USCIS math on visa dates ;)
So, in just two years, every category should be current. Lets not scratch our heads.
Please work out the data versus pending/quota/spillover. Do VISA DATES ENGINEERING. And figure out the visa dates process/workflow and put in front of DOS/USCIS to adopt. Or lobby to adopt. or rally to adopt.
Otherwise our math will always be different from DOS/USCIS math on visa dates ;)
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PlainSpeak
01-13 03:45 PM
mc,
this guy is pulling u'r chains..... its not she.... its a he.....
u know who this guy is? surprise surprise ....... gcperm is back.... as plainspeak....
hey gcperm aka plainspeak..... long time.... where've u been? i missed u :rolleyes:
Ron Hira my friend you are on an immigration forum and you have an Anti Immigrant login id. Now what could be funnier than that Ha Ha...
As to me being a guy phasshhhhhh i am all female
And i am laughing in my pants seeing you confuse me with GCPerm. I remeber seeing that name on IV before. Was he an EB3 who was kicked out by you guys ?
this guy is pulling u'r chains..... its not she.... its a he.....
u know who this guy is? surprise surprise ....... gcperm is back.... as plainspeak....
hey gcperm aka plainspeak..... long time.... where've u been? i missed u :rolleyes:
Ron Hira my friend you are on an immigration forum and you have an Anti Immigrant login id. Now what could be funnier than that Ha Ha...
As to me being a guy phasshhhhhh i am all female
And i am laughing in my pants seeing you confuse me with GCPerm. I remeber seeing that name on IV before. Was he an EB3 who was kicked out by you guys ?
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breddy2000
09-04 09:33 PM
hey stop the nonsense. u r trying to argue with everyone. u r playing with people emotions.
why don't u just stop the arguments over here. just leave the dead person in peace.
if u don't like him just go and talk with someone else who also doesn't like him in ur family or with ur friends. i think u r spending too much time bashing YSR and his son.
r u considering urself as a "SAINT" , if u r saint, u have right to talk about other persons.
otherwise u should shut ur mouth. Its good for u and ur family. u used the word "KUKKA CHAVU" that's not at all accepted. i think u should keep ur tongue when u r using those words.
This MF doesn't even have minimum decency to just leave alone a Dead Man.
Want to see his saint deeds on IV.....Look for handle "CHANDUV23" handle history.
1..) This MF has been preaching about faking Resumes in his old posts
2.) He suggested faking Exp letter to someone in trouble...
3.) He openly has shown someones full name using his Admin previledges
Look for all of "CHANDUV23" posts
Want to see him...search for him in UTUBE. Search for "CHANDUV23"
God knows what kind of idiots are given this kind of responsibility as Admin....
why don't u just stop the arguments over here. just leave the dead person in peace.
if u don't like him just go and talk with someone else who also doesn't like him in ur family or with ur friends. i think u r spending too much time bashing YSR and his son.
r u considering urself as a "SAINT" , if u r saint, u have right to talk about other persons.
otherwise u should shut ur mouth. Its good for u and ur family. u used the word "KUKKA CHAVU" that's not at all accepted. i think u should keep ur tongue when u r using those words.
This MF doesn't even have minimum decency to just leave alone a Dead Man.
Want to see his saint deeds on IV.....Look for handle "CHANDUV23" handle history.
1..) This MF has been preaching about faking Resumes in his old posts
2.) He suggested faking Exp letter to someone in trouble...
3.) He openly has shown someones full name using his Admin previledges
Look for all of "CHANDUV23" posts
Want to see him...search for him in UTUBE. Search for "CHANDUV23"
God knows what kind of idiots are given this kind of responsibility as Admin....
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tikka
07-03 06:25 PM
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dilipcr
06-16 03:41 PM
Nice well thought out arguments. This is the essence of a healthy debate.
Dilip -
Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?
I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.
For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.
Employers will be restricted in applying for GC for very qualified employees only in the period of recession. This happened with companies like CSCO etc in2001. wherein many of my friends left the company because cisco was barred from applying for GC after mass layoffs. But then after a year or so they started applying again. If you are referring to such scenarios, I would recommend patience because the immigrant per se is extremely well talented.
I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
Have a good day!
Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.
As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is cosummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.
I agree with you on the above points. You are doing the right thing in not blaming others for the downtrend in salaries. However, you are fundamentally assuming that you would have enough time to upgrade and adapt. What if that assumption falls apart ? What if outsourcign companies hit your employer with people with your skillsets at abysmal prices through fraud ? Today many companies do not look into the long term but make short term decisions. They may prefer the loss in quality for the "immediate" cost savings. It may take time for them to realize their follies. In trading, they say that a trader needs to have enough juice to survive the market irrationality. In a similar vein, if you have the wherewithal to survive the employer's short term irrational decisions, then more power to you.
Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.
That is exactly the reason I am here. I want to encourage the truly deserving. I dont know who the truly deserving are on this board. But they know themselves. My encouragement is for them is to ensure that they dont get bogged psychologically despite being immensely talented.
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Dilip -
Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?
I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.
For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.
Employers will be restricted in applying for GC for very qualified employees only in the period of recession. This happened with companies like CSCO etc in2001. wherein many of my friends left the company because cisco was barred from applying for GC after mass layoffs. But then after a year or so they started applying again. If you are referring to such scenarios, I would recommend patience because the immigrant per se is extremely well talented.
I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
Have a good day!
Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.
As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is cosummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.
I agree with you on the above points. You are doing the right thing in not blaming others for the downtrend in salaries. However, you are fundamentally assuming that you would have enough time to upgrade and adapt. What if that assumption falls apart ? What if outsourcign companies hit your employer with people with your skillsets at abysmal prices through fraud ? Today many companies do not look into the long term but make short term decisions. They may prefer the loss in quality for the "immediate" cost savings. It may take time for them to realize their follies. In trading, they say that a trader needs to have enough juice to survive the market irrationality. In a similar vein, if you have the wherewithal to survive the employer's short term irrational decisions, then more power to you.
Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.
That is exactly the reason I am here. I want to encourage the truly deserving. I dont know who the truly deserving are on this board. But they know themselves. My encouragement is for them is to ensure that they dont get bogged psychologically despite being immensely talented.
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richana
07-30 06:38 PM
Ohh the moral police (shiv sena etc) are out, chill out dude what is decent to you is not necessarily indecent to another man and and vice versa. You enjoy the same thing if Salman Khan does it in his movie, right? Don't be a Bore for real get my drift? Or were you the Amway gut I met?
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